Murder Ballad Mondayall things move toward their end
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  1. Thanks for your great comment. One review of Cave’s Murder Ballads described it as “updat[ing] infamous folk tales like “Stagger Lee” with enough profanity and gratuitous violence to satisfy the bloodlusty standards of the post-gangsta rap/Quentin Tarantino era.” It went on to say that “it’s hard not to imagine Murder Ballads as some perverse, alternate-universe West End musical production.” That’s another way of saying what you’ve just said — listening to this album can be both like watching a vapid slasher movie AND some self-indulgent, artsy-fartsy theatrical production. The video for “Stagger Lee” brings this all together nicely, and also underscores that Cave wants you to think of his murder ballad as super cool, super sexy, super edgy, super campy, super smart, and super exclusive. This is all very moody and silly. Except it kind of works as an atmospheric spectacle.

    I also think it has a lot to do with audience. I see Cash as working to build and relate to an audience for sure. Cave is much too much of a snob for that kind of thing:

    “I have always been of the opinion that my music is unique and individual and exists beyond the realms inhabited by those who would reduce things to mere measuring. I am in competition with no one. My relationship with my muse is a delicate one at the best of times and I feel that it is my duty to protect her from influences that may offend her fragile nature.”
    — Nick Cave, in a letter to MTV requesting that his nomination for Best Male Artist (following the release of Murder Ballads) be withdrawn.

    I both respect that and have to roll my eyes at it at the same time.

    He does indeed walk the line.

  2. One thing that I’ve always found both alarming and compelling about Nick Cave is the sadism of his delivery in these songs. s.gee touched on it when he explained how Nick Cave “prolongs the ‘moment’ of the murder itself.” I think his style makes Nick Cave’s murder ballads powerful, but it also makes them disturbing. I feel my own response as a listener is often a combination of sadism and horror. The perspective is a lot like watching a slasher movie (complete with the gasps and screams of the victims), but more emotionally compelling, and I tend to feel sort of sick after too much of it. Nick Cave’s Murder Ballads is one of my favorite albums, but I can only listen to it once or twice a year. Johnny Cash, on the other hand, I can listen to any time.

    There’s something to be said for a more pared down delivery, like Cash gives. I find the incongruity between the vocals and the acts depicted compelling in its own way. It seems to say this is just one more human tragedy, this happens every day. It lets you listen without forcing you into a particular mood with lots of ghoulish ornamentation the way Cave does, and in a certain way, it feels more authentic. Nick Cave always walks on the line between compelling drama and melodramatic posturing for me, and sometimes I can’t hear him as anything but incredibly silly. But when it works for me, boy does it work!

  3. I read the latest post on Nick Cave but haven’t yet read the Cash/Cave one that precedes it. It looks interesting and though I know little about the subject, I would argue that the emotion in Cave’s voice, along with his delivery, create a murder ballad experience which “moves” the listener to a greater degree than Cash does. To this end, I would also say that Cave provides an experience which makes the listener feel the deed.

    • As someone relatively new to Nick Cave, and beginning my exploration of him specifically in relation to murder ballads, I have to agree. I love Johnny Cash very much, and his approach to the murder ballad is awesome in its own right. But I recall thinking when first hearing his performances of some of these songs, “Wow, how can he sing those lyrics with such non-nonchalance?”

      It may be that Cash’s performance is ultimately rooted in the Appalachian tradition, the ‘knee to knee’ singing that relied on facial expression… See this description from Sheila Kay Adams about learning ballads from Berzilla Wallin for example…

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4FJoHGB_o0&context=C35444b7ADOEgsToPDskJXGP0J2DUHoE3LGVWGWe_j

      That just doesn’t translate in music for the mass market, unless you get it into the video somehow (for example, the way Johnny looks in some of the scenes in the Delia’s Gone video!) Cave is coming from an entirely different place.

    • Thanks for the comments; I agree with both. Cash definitely creates a bond when he performs live (the credibility he seems to have at Folsom and San Quentin always astounds me…I may be wrong but I can’t see Cave ever being able to do that with such an audience, or any live audience). On the other hand, Cave tends to bring a few key things to most of his ballads that Cash does not, all of which definitely lead to “feeling the deed.” For example, he prolongs the “moment” of the murder itself, both through the narrative and the accompanying musical sounds (sounds of people crying, drums, other heavy instrumentation). He also allows a lot of moral complexity in through the complexity of his language and musical arrangement — I think it is hard for Cave to deal off-handedly with the kind of person that just goes and kills someone with little reasoning (he says as much). Cash can, and does.

      Anyway, that makes them both equally great, and equally scary in my view…