Murder Ballad MondayAin’t gonna tell you no lies
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Ain’t gonna tell you no lies — 4 Comments

  1. Hi, _The Mauve Decade_ was by Thomas Beer (not Boer), who was born in 1889 and was a successful novelist, among other things. Here is the Stephen Crane expert Paul Sorrentino describing Beer’s biography of Crane: “Beer had altered the chronology of Crane’s life, invented incidents, and composed letters allegedly from Crane. The pattern of fabrication is evident from the onset. Letters supposedly written by Crane are quoted in an early draft of the biography, then substantially revised in a later draft to fit scenarios involving other people, who, it turns out, are themselves apparently fictional.” Enough said about Beer’s credibility? Emerson Hough was also a novelist, and one of his novels was _The Mississippi Bubble_, so that may have been Beer’s source for the Natchez story. The song “Frankie Silver” is not similar enough to the song “Frankie Baker” for us to think they are connected; it’s pretty obvious that Spaeth pretended he thought they were for the money. “My Baby In A Guinea Blue Gown” appeared in a 1925 book by Emmet Kennedy (born 1877). Kennedy was an enthusiast of black folk music who learned that music in the street and then performed it himself on stage. How old did Kennedy claim “My Baby In A Guinea-Blue Gown” was? Imo people like Sandburg believed people like Beer only because they weren’t thinking skeptically enough. (Can happen to anybody. The great blues writer Paul Oliver believed tall-tale artist John Jacob Niles about his fictional blues singer “Ophelia Simpson,” for instance.) The real other woman in 1899 was Alice Pryor. Names for the other woman in the songs included “Alice Pry.” When folk music collector Dorothy Scarborough wrote in the 1920s, she admitted that she had no idea who the song was about, and she also noted that one of the titles it was known by was “Frankie Baker.” And “Al Britt” sounds like “Albert.” The song arose in 1899.

    • Here is the music researcher Abbe Niles in the _Nation_, 12/1/26 (as quoted in the New York _Evening Post_, 1/19/28), on Emmet Kennedy’s book _Mellows_: “[I]t is amusing to find that our old friend ‘Frankie And Johnnie’ takes for Mardi Gras the mask of ‘My Baby In A Guinea Blue Gown’ and deceives Mr. Kennedy himself!”

    • Thanks, Joseph. This is very helpful corroboration of folks playing fast and loose with the history of the song.. I did the research for this post almost 3 years ago, and will have to go back to see if the Boer/Beer error was mine or Belden’s. I agree that Sandburg and others weren’t thinking skeptically enough. Thanks again for the added details.

  2. Ken, you have my head spinning! At least with a Child Ballad, we have no hope of knowing the true origin, so we can just go with the flow. But here (and with Omie Wise, if you read Long-Wilgus’s book, which also made me dizzy) it seems like its within reach, so we keep grabbing. I have little to add.

    I do love knowing the connection to “Baby in the Guinea Blue Gown”. And while blues and turn of the century African-American music isn’t my forte, I’ve spent more time with antebellum African-American music. I’m no expert, but it’s familiar territory for me, and I don’t know of anything stylistically that comes particularly close to that sort of tune. “Georgia Buck” and such songs get a similar flavor… “right in this spot, Black Annie got shot, right in this barroom door”… but they aren’t narrative or nearly as detailed as “Frankie.”

    And the ‘antebellum origin’ theory that it’s an Anglo song… again, though I’m no expert, it doesn’t ring any bells. As you point out, of course there would have been songs with similar themes, but themes alone don’t prove a link between ballads.

    It seems to me that you’re right. Yes, some sort of source material- a tune, scraps of lyrics, common phrases from other songs- would have been in the ‘primordial soup’ from whence came this ballad. Something soldiers sang at Vicksburg? Ok, sure. The Civil War and Reconstruction brought among other things a mixing of music the likes of which the country had never seen.

    But everything about the ballad as we know it to me suggests that there was in fact an original event that brought the several strands together and that something truly new was born. Part of me really wants to know that event, and enjoys the head-spinning. Part of me doesn’t want to know at all and just enjoys hearing every new version you post.