It’s all about a little holly bush…

Note: This is Part 2 of a 4 part series â see also Part 1, Part 3, and Part 4
We saw in the introductory post for the week that in the murder ballad âEdwardâ, or Child 13, at least as sung in America and Ireland the murder is sparked by an argument about the cutting of a sapling or a bush. Â But what does *that* mean? Â Why would anyone be arguing about a sapling in the first place? Â And does the same hold true for versions in England and Scotland? (If you hit this page without knowing the ballad, or are just looking for multiple versions of âEdwardâ and not for a long-winded exploration, I suggest the introduction linked above will be far more useful.)
Nic Jones recorded the ballad for his second album, and in the liner notes he gets right to the point.
âThis is more or less a version of a large group of songs under the various titles of Edward, Lizzie Wan, Lucy Wan, What Blood is This?, etc. In this version the whole incident turns on the seemingly irrelevant statement:
Itâs all about a little holly bush that might have made a tree.
The lines are possibly explained by a glance at some of the other versions, where the son has made love to his sister and subsequently killed her when she turns out to be pregnant. The holly bush could reasonably represent some kind of guarded reference to this incident; the incident itself having been excluded from the song.â
So the holly bush is a euphemism, maybe. Â And âEdwardâ is a version of âLizzie Wanâ, maybe. Â With Jonesâs reading then, Edward must kill his brother either in rage for his horrid violations of their young sister, or because he loved her too and was jealous.
Anyway, hereâs Jonesâ version, performed with typical excellence by John Wesley Harding on his album in tribute to Jones.
âEdwardâ â John Wesley Harding (Spotify)
Lyrics for the Jones/JWH version
Our recent adventures with âPancho and Leftyâ suggest that you canât necessarily trust a folk singer to know the meaning of a song!  And of course, we all make our own meanings⌠yadda, yadda, yadda.  But for what itâs worth, the incest theme with regards to âEdwardâ has been taken up by scholars as well, and for a good long time. Admittedly, I have a hard time intellectualizing it, or wanting to at least.  But I see the value in doing so in this case.
There is a child between my two sidesâŚ
Iâll get to the scholarship in a minute. Â But first judge for yourself if some of these scholars and Nic Jones were on about anything meaningful. Â âLizzie Wanâ (Child 51) deserves a week of its own, but in the meantime you can compare. Â I offer here a recent and simple recording for clarityâs sake, though you can compare it to Childâs collected variants if you want.
âLucy Wanâ â The Pratie Heads (Spotify) Â Â Â Â Â Lyrics for Lucy Wan by The Pratie Heads

âLucy Wanâ by Jim Moray (Click if you dareâŚ)
Right. Â So now you see it. Â Five verses in this version are found in many versions of âEdwardâ, the only difference being it is the sister killed instead of the brother. Â Unlike âEdwardâ, the horrible motive for the murder is made all too plain â the possibility of a child born to brother and sister. Â The only case Iâm making here is that Jones et. al. are not out in left field with this incest hypothesis, so Iâm going to let that rest with only one traditional example. Â You can dig more, but youâll see these folks clearly have a point. There is more than just a passing similarity between âEdwardâ and âLucy Wanâ, and with incest so clearly the theme of the latter, itâs not out of the realm of possibility that the former might have something to do with it as well.
Whatâs a âkenningâ, Kenneth?
Now to the books and articles so we can trace it out. Â (Sorry for the lack of music in this bit, but Iâll get back to it soon if you can be patient! Â Or, what the hell; just skip the boring stuff and head down the page! Â Iâll post a few more awesome performances in my last piece this week too.)
Archer Taylor made âEdwardâ and its Scandinavian relatives the subject of a thorough book in 1931. He came to some interesting conclusions about the origins of the ballad that Iâll cover a bit below. However, for our purposes at this moment, we need to know that while Taylor recognized the importance of the argument over the sapling, he felt unable to derive from it the deeper motive for the murder. And he had little hope of doing so in the future; ââŚEdward, we must remember, has been recovered only in the last stages of decay.â
In 1933 though, Philips Barry in reviewing Taylorâs work took issue with Taylorâs conclusion and instead declared all but certainly (and without much evidence) that âEdwardâ is a âballad of fratricide, in which the motive is the love of a pre-nubile girl.â  He claimed that the reference to the âbreaking of a little bushâ is âa kenning which Cecil Sharp said was interpreted by a singer to refer to a very young girl.â  If true, such a âpeopleâs interpretationâ documented by one of the great ballad collectors and scholars certainly lends Barryâs proposition strength.
Barry offered no citation though, and Sharpâs source had not yet been documented as of 2002 (according to Atkinson, referenced below.) Â We have no real reason to doubt it; but even granting its veracity, Barry invests an awful lot in this one interpretation reported by Sharp. Â Iâm no expert, but I researched this thoroughly and found no evidence of a widespread folk interpretation for the murder in this ballad along these or really any other lines, anywhere. Â (And how frustrating! Â Oh, for the simple motive in âMatty Grovesâ!)
Barry, in a different part of the same publication, also argued that the pronounced similarities between the mysterious âEdwardâ and the ballads âLizzie Wanâ and âThe Twa Brothersâ suggest that they have a common ancestor (William Motherwell had much earlier suggested a general connection), thus implying a common motive for murder in the descendant ballads. We see above that this hypothesis is understandable (though far from proven) when one looks at âLizzie Wanâ.  âThe Twa Brothersâ is more problematic as Barry has to go out on a limb to infer incest there, but letâs leave that aside for now and give him the benefit of the doubt so we can move forward.  At any rate, right or wrong, when we put it all together we can see the origin of the position that Nic Jones took about that holly bush.
The murder motive
The incest hypothesis was taken up again by Tristram Coffin in his 1949 article âThe Murder Motive in âEdwardââ.  Coffin outlines the scholarship above, and takes some issue with Barryâs broadest claims regarding âLizzie Wanâ and such.  However, he affirms the likelihood of incest as the hidden murder motive in the ballad nonetheless.
Hereâs how he gets there. Â Coffin begins by verifying Archer Taylorâs conclusions from 1931 about the origins of the ballad; specifically
- âEdwardâ is now highly corrupt and much of its original content is missing
- The ballad is originally British, expanding out first to Scandinavia then later to America, etc.
- The murder was originally fratricide; all other variants are later.
- The mother in the original ballad was not involved in any way in the murder, such as in the case in the Percy version (Childâs version B.)
Accepting these, and in light of well-established patterns in the British ballads, Coffin dismisses the idea that the murder could have been based on some rivalry unidentified in the narrative and sparked by a *literal* argument over a sapling. He accepts then that the âsapling argumentâ is in fact a kenning, and thus sees in that context only two reasonable explanations for the fratricide; sexual jealousy over a sweetheart, or over a sister.  The former, Coffin argues, would not require euphemism.  Itâs a common theme in ballads and in no need of being hidden.  Incest though is different, and âis a motif that has consistently tended to drop out of ballad plots⌠ Incest is the one motif most likely to be euphemized by the folk.â
To tie his case together, Coffin goes back to âLizzie Wanâ, âThe Twa Brothersâ, and a few other ballads that are either explicitly about incest or can reasonably be suspected of being so in their primal forms. Â He tries to make no sweeping claims like Barryâs, but in comparing these to âEdwardâ finds a number of âstartlingâ parallels that convince him incest is indeed the likely motive for murder in âEdwardâ. Â (Honestly, that part of his article still feels sweeping to me, but at least he tries to offer evidence and logical argument where Barry offers only a bit more than declaration.) Whether one brother kills the other because both love their sister romantically, or because one is horrified at what the other has done, Coffin concludes is impossible to know.
Are we there yet?
Sorry, not quite⌠ But at least in this bit weâll get back to some musical examples, and these surprisingly without the sapling.
If all this sounds interesting but a little shaky to you, youâre not alone.  In 2002, David Atkinson took on the topic once again in Chapter 4 â âIncest and Edwardâ in his book The English Traditional Ballad. As they say on Facebook, âitâs complicatedâ; youâre much better off reading his work to get the full picture.  But let me see if I canât give you the skinny, while delivering some performances to boot.
Atkinson in the end makes the point, I think, that trying to find incest as the irrefutable motive for murder in âEdwardâ misses the mark. Â Itâs not an unreasonable possibility, and he thoroughly explores and even bolsters some of the evidence given by earlier scholars. Â But he concludes that the whole hypothesis ultimately rests on self-reference to the collected scholarship on the topic, starting with Barry, and on speculative comparisons with other ballads like âLizzie Wanâ. Â Take Nic Jonesâs liner notes above as an example (which Atkinson cites as well.)
He observes that if you change the light in which you look at âEdwardâ, you can come up with entirely different motives for the murder.  And this is not just theoretical.  Some traditional singers see the motive either as mysterious at best, or as something other than incest entirely.  Atkinson would not have us dismiss these alternative readings.
He references, for example, the 1976 performance of âEdwardâ by Frank Hinchliffe, of Sheffield.  Itâs quite moving actually, or it feels so to me.  Typical of some other English versions, the spark for the murder is *not* a sapling, but the killing of birds.  Here are the lyrics for Hinchliffeâs version, as sung in the oddly filmed YouTube clip below. The lyrics page also has a link to an mp3 version.
Atkinson points out that the album notes for Hinchliffeâs version of âEdwardâ state âFrank quite understandably is not at all happy with the story in his version as it stands; it is hard to see the killing of three birds as sufficient motive for fratricide.â
He notes as well that a relative of Hinchliffeâs also sang the ballad and defended the senselessness of the fratricide by citing local murders that made little more sense.  The killing of birds may be euphemism, but apparently the folk around Sheffield at least didnât see incest as part of the fabric of this ballad, and could more or less live with its ambiguity.
But this isnât limited to England. Atkinson cites in this regard the well-known performance of one of the great Scots ballad singers, Jeannie Robertson. Â In Scotland the ballad is known as âMy Son Davidâ. Â Robertsonâs performance is most excellent; it was in fact her signature ballad. Â Iâve posted a shorter version here, but several others are recorded. Â The differences in her performances of this ballad over the years are a subject of scholarship unto itself.
Jeannie Robertson â âMy Son Davidâ (Spotify)
Lyrics for âMy Son Davidâ â Jeannie Robertson
(Hereâs a YouTube version I stumbled across that is styled after a longer version of Robertsonâs, with some additional verses along the lines of what weâve seen in other lyrics.)
Robertsonâs and some (though not all) related Scots versions ascribe a different motive for the murder.  The older brother kills the younger because the younger would not submit to the eldestâs authority.  And thereâs more!  In some more developed variants, the younger first draws his sword.  Atkinson quotes Robertson from an interview where she addresses the question directly as to why one brother murdered the other.
âThe thing was that David was oldest and he was heir to everything, and the other brother was a very selfish, jealous brother. Â He wanted for nothinâ, he had everything too. Â But he didnae want that. Â He wanted to be the master, you see, oâ the castle or fat ever it was. Â And he wanted to kill his brother and become master. Â So his mother likit David even better than fat she likit the other one. Â So when he tried to kill his brother, well, of course, it was a natural thing for David to fight to defend his selâ. Â So he killed his brother.â
Of course itâs not just scholars that can read into a ballad! Â You can see where this all might go. Â Atkinson cites interpretations, albeit not scholarly, wherein the story in âEdwardâ is seen essentially as a retelling of the stories of âCain and Abelâ and âJacob and Esauâ. Â (Remember, in my first post I told you it could be âCain and Abelâ if you want.)
Now, Iâm sure Iâm not doing justice to the depth of Atkinsonâs work in his chapter, much less the whole book to which the chapter is more than just literally bound. Â Iâm oversimplifying, certainly. Â But weâre not doing this blog for scholars; itâs for passionate amateurs like us.
Archer Taylor in 1931 kept this bit simple, and understandably posited that we just canât know why the murder happens in âEdwardâ.  Atkinson though tries harder and comes to a more satisfying conclusion, at least for someone who likes to sing these songs.  His final paragraph is too long and academic to quote here, but what it comes down to is this.  All of this ambiguity, these competing interpretations, the self-referential scholarship and such⌠ it all  âallows for the re-creation of meaning at every encounter with a ballad.â
Understanding this âinherent instability in meaningâ, he argues, is more important than trying to figure out precisely what the âmeaningâ might be of a ballad.
Given all Iâve written above, I think I understand why he chose âEdwardâ to make this broader point.
(Note: This weekâs exploration, and Atkinsonâs point particularly, inspired a personal response from me too, here.)
Coda
Who else is finding new meaning in these old lyrics, or rewriting the ballad wholly to find such? Â Here are two quick examples (one from each side of the pond) with which to close, to make up for the lack of music above.
New Englandâs own Cordeliaâs Dad released an excellent interpretation in 1995, calling it âThe Sun and the Moonâ. Â The lyrics are the same as Sam Amidonâs that I included in my first post this week, and may be his source. Â Whether this version itself was arranged by Cordeliaâs Dad or is a traditional set of lyrics I donât know yet, as I donât have the liner notes for their album. Â (Anyone out there have it?) Â Hereâs a snippet of it on YouTube.
âThe Sun and The Moonâ â Cordeliaâs Dad (Spotify)
âThe Sun and the Moonâ (lyrics)
And finally, what Child Ballad can be called properly âreinterpretedâ until covered by Steeleye Span? Â They rewrite it completely and structure it like a ârock anthemâ. Â It works, though personally I find it a bit much. Â Anyway, Edward kills his brother in this one for âtelling liesâ. Â Iâll leave it to you in comments below to speculate as to what heâs lying about!
âEdwardâ â Steeleye Span (Spotify) Â Â YouTube version
Steeleye Spanâs âEdwardâ lyrics
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